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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Jun 10, 2005 12:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

I've been playing around with this a little to try to generate the links between db.etree.org Sources in Circulation and the recordings here. Just want to share what I have found so far.

When you import a recording here, there is a field at the bottom called "MD5 Contents". What you need to do is copy/paste the MD5 or FLAC Fingerprint info into that field. See attached image "1.jpg" for an example.

If the contents of that field match the contents of the MD5's submitted to the Sources In Circ list, then the link will get generated. For example, see this SCI recording:

http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=29546

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http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=24586

If you read this post today, you will notice that there is no link at db.etree.org (there would be a bold blue link at the top stating "Download This Source from the Llama"). To generate that link, at archive.org I edited the show details page, copied the FLAC Fingerprint and pasted it into the "MD5 Contents" field. Once a day (I believe), db.etree will update its download links by comparing the MD5's it has with the contents of that archive.org field - so if we check that tomorrow the link should be there.

Uploaders: It is a good habit to submit your recording to the db.etree.org list *in addition to* uploading the recordings here. You can do this by clicking the link new SHN/FLAC from the db.etree.org homepage. It's under the "Add To etree" section.

-Brad

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2005-06-10 07:24:44

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Poster: xtifr Date: Jun 10, 2005 8:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

I've given up on db.etree. I tried to create a show record there once, and it never showed up. Since then, I've uploaded over a dozen shows here, and have never bothered to try again. Nor (apparently) am I the only one. There are, for example, NO 2005 SHOWS for the Radiators on db.etree, even though the Archive has 30!

I used to find db.etree a valuable resource, but as the Archive has exploded in size, db.etree has become all-but-irrelevent to me. If someone like me, who used to use db.etree, has lost interest, how are you going to get people who never used it, but who upload shows here, to cooperate?

I think db.etree needs to learn to pick up shows from the Archive on its own to have a hope of staying relevant/useful. Begging people who don't use the system to help keep its records up-to-date is unlikely to be productive. If a show is on the Archive, it IS a source in circulation, and should be on db.etree.

(Note: bt.etree has also helped lower my interest in db.etree, but it was more of a final straw than a major factor.)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Jun 10, 2005 10:46pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

I tried to create a show record there once, and it never showed up.

Write with details of what you tried to the upper-level admin contact point there, dbatetreedotorg, to get troubleshooting for your problem. Admins do want to help people who care to add info!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Jun 10, 2005 10:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

I used to find db.etree a valuable resource, but as the Archive has exploded in size, db.etree has become all-but-irrelevent to me. If someone like me, who used to use db.etree, has lost interest, how are you going to get people who never used it, but who upload shows here, to cooperate?

By asking, I'm hoping to do just that. It takes 30 seconds to fill out the form over there to submit a new show as a new circulation entry on db.etree.org.

What's the value? Many of the artists here have limited their policies specifically for the LMA. They don't mind having a bunch of other recordings circulate person to person, or through a non-permanent means like bt.etree, but they don't want the recordings permanently available here. For example, XM Radio and Sirius broadcast recordings get swapped all over, and cannot be here. STS9 only wants Audience recordings here - if db.etree doesn't maintain a list of the Soundboards that circulate, how would you know about those older/rare gems that might be available to track down and trade for? Matt Vernon and the GDIAP have been using db.etree.org to determine what is in the LMA, and what circulates but is not yet here that might need tracking down.

If the Radiators section needs a kick in the butt, send the listed admin an email. If they don't respond, maybe it's time for a new admin.

I think db.etree needs to learn to pick up shows from the Archive on its own to have a hope of staying relevant/useful.

Mark Goldey has been asking for this. The auto insert function to submit new LMA recordings into the list over there would be wonderful, but requires attention from the engineers here and I'm not sure where that stands.

For now, it's up to the fans.

Begging people who don't use the system to help keep its records up-to-date is unlikely to be productive.

All it takes is 1 fan per artist to take inventory occasionally and keep it up to date. With the thousands of people that use this website, I'm hoping to find a few.

-Brad

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2005-06-11 05:06:14

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Jun 10, 2005 10:54pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

...If they don't respond, maybe it's time for a new admin.... All it takes is 1 fan per artist to take inventory occasionally and keep it up to date...

Relevant help docs:
http://db.etree.org/docs/index.php?page=volunteer
http://db.etree.org/docs/index.php?page=ShnAdmin
http://db.etree.org/docs/index.php?page=SetlistAdmin
http://db.etree.org/docs/index.php?page=SubmitShnInfo

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Jun 10, 2005 1:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

Here's a twist on that- if your fileset being uploaded here has md5s that match more than one shnid in the first checksum line over at http://db.etree.org/shncirc it won't synch up properly. That's usually not a problem unless there are multiple/fixed versions recorded in the db (typical of some GD, but not most others). The workaround according to Matt V. is for the db sources admin to rearrange the checksums there so that the unique strings are in each top line.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-06-10 08:55:04

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Jun 10, 2005 1:44am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

md5s that match more than one shnid in the first checksum line

Interesting... thanks for the info Diana! If you know of any other tips, please post them here.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Jun 10, 2005 2:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

Here's another quirk: For the bolded crosslinks to appear at db.etree.org, the artist name in the db also has to match exactly with the LMA's artist name, or else it currently requires a manual pairing by Tom at the db end (or in some cases, alternative workaround through a renaming of the artist in the db).

Not sure if it affects pulling info from there to here during upload, however.

(If any db enthusiast knows of a name linkage that's not occurring that we dbadmins/Tom might be able to fix up, let me know.)

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-06-10 09:02:46

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMatthew Vernon Date: Jun 10, 2005 4:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploaders - db.etree Sources In Circ and download links

Also, any dates "prior to 1/1/1970" will not have the "download" links at db.etree.org even if all the md5 etc conditions are ok.

We think this has something to do with php and how it starts dates at 1/1/1970.

Don't know the status of fixing that at db.etree.org

Also not clear why this date issue would stop the insertion of the links which are keyed by the exchange of md5 signatures.

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